Acer palmatum 'Sumi nagashi'

Discussion in 'Acer palmatum cultivars (photos)' started by Laurie, Oct 18, 2005.

  1. Laurie

    Laurie Active Member Maple Society 10 Years

    Messages:
    428
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    Acer palmatum 'Sumi nagashi' - private collection. This was labeled 'Sumi nagashi' when we bought it some years ago, and it seems to match the photographs and descriptions in various publications, including the lovely weeping shape. Photographs: June 2001; June 2002; July 2001; and two in October 2002.
     

    Attached Files:

  2. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

    Messages:
    1,424
    Likes Received:
    23
    Location:
    San Joaquin Valley, California
    Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    These photos were taken May 19, 2005. The photos
    are not the best for the Maple but they do serve to
    show what I want from two of them. Notice the
    coloring of the samaras to this deeply divided Maple.
    They will stay this way for a long while and then in
    the Summer will fade to a beige color. The seed
    coats but not so much the "wings" will again color
    up in the Fall. Not a fast growing plant but a very
    stable one that makes a solid, nice focal point tree
    in most any landscape. I do not recommend what
    I did with this tree grown here and that is to place
    it in a Western exposure right into the hot winds
    and the hottest portions of the afternoon sun as
    this tree was. I felt this Maple unlike so many
    others can handle this exposure is the basic reason
    why I did it plus I wanted sustained color in that
    spot in the yard but I still will advise people around
    here not to do what I did. I am real pleased with
    this Maple in how it holds its color throughout the
    year for us.
     

    Attached Files:

  3. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

    Messages:
    1,424
    Likes Received:
    23
    Location:
    San Joaquin Valley, California
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Below are a few Fall color photos of our Maple
    taken November 29, 2005 in overcast conditions.
    These photos were taken nearest the more shaded
    interior areas of the tree.
     

    Attached Files:

  4. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

    Messages:
    1,424
    Likes Received:
    23
    Location:
    San Joaquin Valley, California
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    The first photo shows the hint of Fall color in the
    seed coats of the samaras. Compare them to the
    ones in the Spring photos. The second photo
    shows a more even tone of Fall color in afternoon
    light. The third photo shows this Maple from a
    vantage point of being in shade as the morning
    light is starting to shine into the Maple. All the
    photos were taken on December 7, 2005.
     

    Attached Files:

  5. silver_creek

    silver_creek Active Member

    Messages:
    484
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Bellingham, WA, usa
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    One of the best big reds, in my opinion. A November shot -
     

    Attached Files:

  6. kaybertoss

    kaybertoss Member

    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Vancouver
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    I know that this is an old post but I have a Acer Palmatum 'Suminagashi' that has been living on my NE facing deck for 10 years.

    It’s been little trouble over those years and has given us so much joy.

    The only maintenance that I regularly perform is a annual branch pruning and regular watering in the growing months. I’ve only taken it out of the thick plastic pot once in the last 10 years to do a root pruning and soil replacement. This almost killed me though it weighed so much!

    Here are a few photos, enjoy.
     

    Attached Files:

  7. NJACER

    NJACER Active Member Maple Society 10 Years

    Messages:
    226
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Wall, NJ USA
    The picture below is A.P. Sumi nagashi in May of 2006. This shows the dark red color in spring. This tree is about 15 feet tall and approximately 12 years old.
     

    Attached Files:

  8. mapledia

    mapledia Active Member

    Messages:
    341
    Likes Received:
    9
    Location:
    Siskiyou mountains, so. OR
    My smallish tree has very large leaves which display good color most of the year. This photo was taken July 11 and shows typical early summer hues.
     

    Attached Files:

  9. justdog

    justdog Member

    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Canada
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Hi:

    Beautiful! I have 2 that I planted on opposite sides of my yard, North and South sides.

    Sun comes around them during the day and slighty after 4 peeks down the sides of the house to light them a little more.

    One of the best things I ever did was get a pair to balance the yard.
    He hee they were end of season and root bound into burlap and wire, weighed 130 pounds each.

    I just love your placement.
     
  10. justdog

    justdog Member

    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Canada
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Hi:

    Great to know such a big cultivar could survive potting.

    You keep it simple but obviously did the right things.

    Way to go.
     
  11. nelran

    nelran Active Member

    Messages:
    322
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    Zone 8 - Houston, TX USA
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Here are pics of the my Suminagashi. It surprise me how nice looks its leaves in fall and how well is holding the color. The last three pics were taken starting fall. (Pics 5036/5040/5044 are from today).
     

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Dec 7, 2007
  12. Poetry to Burn

    Poetry to Burn Active Member

    Messages:
    829
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Philadelphia PA
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    The 'Suminagashi' I am growing is very small. I wanted to grow this one because of the elegant leaf shape. I understand that this cultivar is a good grower.

    Nelran it's a shock to see your Texas tree in December. There is barely a leaf attached around here. Was wondering if you treated or coated those cedar planters with anything? How long do they last?

    Great looking plants!
     
  13. nelran

    nelran Active Member

    Messages:
    322
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    Zone 8 - Houston, TX USA
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Thanks Poetry... For good or bad (I don't know yet) the temps here (except for a couple days) have been around 70s to 80s, so most of my plants are keeping the leaves pretty well. In fact my A.S. Aureum are sprouting new leaves in this time!
    I bought the cedar planters last week and replant some of my JMs on them. I don't think that they were coated with something, They were in Lowes on sale very cheap 7$ each) so I decided to get all of them for my JMs. I'm testing them now with some JMs. but I think that I will treate the reamining with somo coat protectant and tint, before use, because they will look even better and last longer.

    Nelson
     
  14. chimera

    chimera Well-Known Member 10 Years

    Messages:
    1,771
    Likes Received:
    62
    Location:
    Fraser Valley, B.C. ,Canada
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Wonder what kind of cedar that would be.
     
  15. Poetry to Burn

    Poetry to Burn Active Member

    Messages:
    829
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Philadelphia PA
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Nelson,

    7$ is a great deal. I used wooden planters until they all disintegrated (i might have 2 left). I treated mine with the water based Thompsons, works fine on the outside but useless against the soil. In Tx it might be different. Still, for that price I'd buy em up as well. The maples do like living in the wood. Roots will squeeze through the pores in time and make it a chore to de-pot.

    Do your planters name the species of cedar they come from?

    A woodworker friend is making me a pair of planters out of black locust. Lumber from Robinia pseudoacacia is reputed to withstand extended contact with soil and moisture.
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2007
  16. nelran

    nelran Active Member

    Messages:
    322
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    Zone 8 - Houston, TX USA
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    hi Poetry. I didn't review the manufacturer's sticker, but I will do, and let you know if there is some info. I was planning to make some wooden containers, but probably they will cost more to me than 7$. I was thinking to use some oil tint for the exterior, but I don't know yet what will be better for the interior. I'm agree with you that wooden containers are excellent for plants and looks wonderful with the JMs. Also, as the wood is a bad thermal conductor; it works very good for temperature protection, even for highs (very frecuently here) or low temps. Of course, is much better than plastic/clay/ceramic containers.
    Unfortunately I don't have your connections (LOL), but hey, at only 7 bucks I can't complain. I think that using hardwood lumber with high hardiness (and the correct treatment) the pot will last enough.

    I got another bigger wooden container (better finished and tinted) for 30$; to use with my most recent addition to the JM collection: a 10 Gal A. Shirasawanum 'aconitifolium' (Dancing peacock); and it looks wonderful.
     
  17. Poetry to Burn

    Poetry to Burn Active Member

    Messages:
    829
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Philadelphia PA
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Hey Nelson,

    I had to give up a valued possession in trade for the black locust containers!

    I'm down to almost all clay pots here, they last 2-10 or more years depending on quality.
    Those large whiskey 1/2 barrels last for a while if you keep them off the ground and moist.

    When I firsr moved into this home (no ground, everything container) I used to be fanatical about sealing, staining ,--etc over time I slipped back to using clay pots. Long lasting wood ones are hard to come by and expensive. Mountain Maples has really nice wood boxes on their site. In my zone it get to 100F and down to 0F. A few trees I'm growing have been in same clay pot 10 yrs w/o falling to pieces.

    Since Suminagashi grows so well maybe it'll soon be a whiskey barrel candidate.
     
  18. nelran

    nelran Active Member

    Messages:
    322
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    Zone 8 - Houston, TX USA
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Well, congratulations. I can not afford to spend 350$ for a mountain maple's container or even 250 or 150$ for their bowls (plus 45-75$ extra for shipping). They could be nice with excellent quality, but definitely this is tooooooo much money for me. (I can add one or two nice JMs for this money).
    The whiskey 1/2 barrel is big for the actual size of most of my JMs, and I don't want to put them in oversized pots, but for sure is a good idea for larger trees.
     
  19. Poetry to Burn

    Poetry to Burn Active Member

    Messages:
    829
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Philadelphia PA
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Ya, agree they're expensive and shipping CA to PA is expensive. I don't have space to grow any more trees here in Philly so i think that investing in planters that will last is a good idea. The prices for Mountain Maple planters are nothing compared to the "Versailles Planters" selling at the Philadelphia Flower Show. They started at 1k and big ones were like 15K .

    Whiskey barrels and Japanese Maples: not sure if that's a good match. But when my Suminagashi gets to look like Mr. Shep's I would test and see.
     
  20. Kaitain4

    Kaitain4 Well-Known Member Maple Society 10 Years

    Messages:
    1,160
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Dickson, TN
    Re: Acer palmatum 'Suminagashi'

    Just picked on of these up. Nice color, large leaves. Very nice. Here are a few pics:

    K4
     

    Attached Files:

  21. amazingmaples

    amazingmaples Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,065
    Likes Received:
    47
    Location:
    snohomish
    Here is the fall color for 2011
     

    Attached Files:

  22. seventrees

    seventrees Active Member

    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Louisiana, USA
    Two shots of Sumi Nagashi taken 4/14 with morning sun. This one tends to provide a different surprise every year. One of the best for blood red fall color in south.
     

    Attached Files:

  23. Schattenfreude

    Schattenfreude Active Member

    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    6a • Independence, Missouri USA
    Sumi nagashi is fast becoming one of my favorite reds! I wish I'd known this three years ago when I purchased it, for then I'd have planted it in a more prominent location. The seed pods hang all season long and really stand out against the red leaves. It's a fast grower, too. This first pic shows the leaves unfurling late March of 2012.

    Kevin in KC
     

    Attached Files:

  24. bertil fox

    bertil fox Member

    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Norfolk, England
    Sumi Nagashi top right. Definately one of my favorites.
    My tree has endured a very bad year weather wise but coped very well and showed no leaf burn or die back.
     

    Attached Files:

  25. Acerholic

    Acerholic Paragon of Plants Forums Moderator VCBF Cherry Scout Maple Society

    Messages:
    12,619
    Likes Received:
    8,807
    Location:
    Hampshire England Zone 8b UK
    It's the 29th April 2021 and this is my, or should I say my wife's new Suminagashi bought this morning from our local nursery.
    I can't believe it's been 8 years since the last postings.
    So here it is and I will update as to it's progress.
    Suminagashi 208.JPG Suminagshi 210.JPG
     
    AlainK likes this.

Share This Page