Acer palmatum 'Oregon Garnet'

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  1. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    San Joaquin Valley, California
    Someone did me a big favor today in this
    forum and now I will return the favor.

    Below are photos of Oregon Garnet. The
    photos were taken on May 19, 2005. Red
    Select was Don Kleim's Maple and Oregon
    Garnet is J.D. Vertrees' Maple.

    Both Maples along with Inaba shidare will
    look identical in leaf in the pubescent stage,
    even while the leaves are starting to open.
    In about a month later the series of color
    and leaf shape changes are seen within all
    three Maples. Of this series the Oregon
    Garnet has the largest sized leaves in width
    and in lobe length and also has the higher
    degree of different shaped leaves. Red
    Select has by far the smallest leaves in
    comparison with Inaba shidare the most
    uniform in leaf size & shape and leaf
    color. True form Garnet from Holland
    can have some lobes cut like some Oregon
    Garnet lobes but the Oregon Garnet has
    more distinct and more total colors seen
    in the leaves, whereas Garnet's coloring
    are more so blends. Also, true form
    Garnet leaves are about half the size in
    width and length of lobes as Oregon
    Garnet, really Garnet's leaves are about
    the same size as Red Select. The Oregon
    Garnet Maple has been sold as Ever Red
    off an on for a few years now due to the
    amount and color of the pubescence, not
    due to the colors, leaf sizes and shapes of
    the leaves once the Maples have leafed out.

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  2. graftedmaplecollector

    graftedmaplecollector Active Member 10 Years

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    My garnet looks like the one on the right. I hope that's what it's supposed to look like. :)
  3. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    San Joaquin Valley, California
    The Oregon Garnet has been around but is seldom
    ever sold by the right name. The base leaf in color
    is the same as Red Select but the sizes and shapes
    of the leaves can be dramatically dissimilar between
    these two Maples. In many areas Inaba shidare will
    not green out like they will here. When we see the
    bronze red with the green undertones is when it will
    have the same basic leaf color of Red Select and
    Oregon Garnet.

    In the last few years I've seen Oregon Garnet sold
    as Inaba shidare and Garnet in mass merchandizer
    nurseries. If I see another one next year I will buy
    it and plant it in the misses yard. I've had my Oregon
    Garnet since 1987 and it has been in a container the
    whole time I've had it.

    One thing that is true for this Maple as well as for
    Inaba shidare and Takiniyama as well is that as the
    Maples get older no matter whether they are grown
    in the ground or in containers but not overly restrictive
    containers such as bonsai pots, the leaves will become
    larger in size. Tamukeyama, Red Select and Garnet
    will have their leaves become smaller in size as the
    plants age also, regardless of whether they are planted
    in the ground or grown in a container.

    Below is a regrettably out of focus Fall color photo
    of Red Select. Aside from the softer colors similar
    to the Fall colors that William Goddard's Ruby Lace
    gets for us here, we can see the typical purple red
    Fall colors that Red Select gets for us that is similar
    to the Fall colors that Inada shidare will get for us
    here but the purple red is more even in shading for
    Inaba shidare. The Oregon Garnet can also have this
    same Fall color depending on how much light the
    Maple gets during the Summer months. One thing
    for sure neither Inaba shidare and Red Select will
    have leaves the color of the leaf on the left of the
    first photo above. The outer parts of the tree can
    have many of these similar and darker and lighter
    shaded leaves but the typical color of the leaves
    are the ones on the right in the first photo.

    If we look at the photos in the Vertrees second
    edition book as well as the Vertrees/Gregory
    Japanese Maples books we can see the similarity
    of Garnet being more than similar in leaf shape
    and leaf size to what we, in the nursery where
    both of those plants resided in the photos, felt
    was Garnets green counterpart dissectum and
    to us it is Flavescens. There is not a lot of
    difference in these two Maples aside from
    leaf color.

    The one misnomer in a few of our books is that
    true form Garnet is a vigorous growing Maple.
    That notion is not even remotely true grown
    here, in most areas of Oregon or in Japan which
    is one reason why nurseries do not carry the true
    form any more as many of those plants have
    died out on us, even when planted in the ground.
    Inaba shidare and Oregon Garnet are much more
    vigorous growing plants in comparison and have
    been the substitute Maples in many nurseries for
    the true form Garnet for over 20 years that I am
    aware of. True form Garnet is real tough to grow
    as it does not like alkaline soils, heat, winds, over
    watering and even to a large extent fertilizing. The
    leaves can scorch even in 70 degree temperatures
    for us and each time the tree gets scorched we lose
    wood and the tree can scorch many times in a year.
    The scorching and the Tight Bark in the plant is what
    was the death knell for this Maple here on the West
    Coast. It is a real shame that this industry standard
    Maple is so tough to grow which is why we only
    seem to see it more often in afternoon protected
    settings in select collections any more. We still
    can find true form Garnet on the West Coast in
    some select wholesale nurseries as well as a few
    specialty nurseries but they have become scarce.
    You have to grow this Maple and probably lose
    one to begin to understand this Maple. Flavescens
    is no picnic either when grown here, if it was easy
    to grow in most locations everyone would have one!


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