Acer palmatum 'Englishtown'

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  1. spookiejenkins

    spookiejenkins Active Member

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    Hi again!

    'Englishtown' is another JM I'd like to know about.

    Vertrees says it is a red dwarf originating from a witch's broom. Apparently, it looks like 'Shaina' except for it's columnar growth habit. A JM in slo-mo, this baby may reach 2 feet in 10 years. Wow.

    Are you growing this cultivar? Show and tell! PWEEZE! :)

    Thanks y'all!
     
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  2. katsura

    katsura Active Member 10 Years

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    spookie, my experience with 'Englishtown' confrims its columnar habit but it
    is 5 ft after some years. I have a friend who really knows maples who has an
    original Englishtown that he estimates is 8 ft H and 20ft wide after 20 years.
    In 20 years he has NEVER seen a spatulate, shortened middle lobe leaf on his
    tree nor have I sever seen 1 on my tree, and if you look at the photo for
    Englishtown in Peter Gregory's book, I see no spatulate center lobe as well so
    I have some question about whether Englishtown is a witches broom. My tree
    has TINY little new leaves which is a trait of witches brooms and the lower 1/2
    of the tree is somewhat globular with tight noding which is also typical of
    WB's but the top 1/3 or so has less tight noding and is columnar. Now Skeeters
    Broom has that type of columnar more open growth so the top 1/3 or so type
    growth on my Englishtown does not disqualify it as a WB but its not having a
    spatulate center lobe makes me hesitant. I could have a mislabelled tree but my
    friend has 1 of the original grafts from the WB and as I said he has never seen a
    spatulate center lobe. WHAT ARE OTHERS' EXPERIENCE WITH THEIR 'ENGLISHTOWN'?
     
  3. Kaitain4

    Kaitain4 Well-Known Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    I have a small first year graft of this cultivar and it displays no "witches broom" shortened leaf lobes. I'll keep an eye on it, though..
     
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    krautz33 Active Member 10 Years

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    Englishtown is the tree right in the front you. I have noticed upright column growth on my tree.

    Good Luck
    Krautz
     

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    Kaitain4 Well-Known Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    Lovely Krautz! I can't wait for mine to look like that! :)
     
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    katsura Active Member 10 Years

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    krautz, lovely trees and presentation. How old would you say that Englishtown
    is? I'm beginning to believe Vertrees either did not have a correct Englishtown
    or he mixed up the description because 2 ft in 10 years does not match my
    tree and Vertrees said it was a witches broom.
     
  7. Ron B

    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    I'd expect grafts of variant Japanese maples onto ordinary seedling rootstocks and other non-dwarf rootstocks would produce more vigorous specimens than the original dwarf seedling or witches'-broom, same as with dwarf and slow-growing conifer cultivars that don't conform to descriptions of original plants.
     
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    katsura Active Member 10 Years

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    wouldn't the robustness-of-the-rootstock argument apply to other dwarfs &
    witches brooms and therefore change their described growth characteristics
    from the "normal" descriptions in the books?
    And even the rootstock argument does not affect the non-appearance of
    any spatulate middle lobe which Englishtown does not show and so it
    likely is not a WB.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    I've seen huge A. palmatum 'Little Gem' displayed by retail outlets here. A nurserywoman explained on the internet (perhaps this site, I don't remember) that these were the result of grafting onto A. palmatum seedling rootstocks.
     

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