acer pal ukigumo problems

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  1. Gary912339

    Gary912339 Member

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    Hi
    I'm new to this site and a new acer owner.
    I've just bought a acer pal ukigumo and it is in a large pot (4 times as big as the one it came in) but unfortunately the beautiful white leaves have started to shrivel. It is partially shaded in the afternoon, sun in the morning, I'm going to screen it more to give it 80% shade in the afternoon, it's not over watered and it's not in a windy position. Any suggestions about saving it would be very gratefully received as I really dont want to lose it (or my £70)!
     
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    Gomero Well-Known Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    If you would post a pic we could try to help you

    Gomero
     
  3. mattzone5b

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    Just move the pot to the shade for 2 weeks so its gets shade all day with no afternoon sun . After the 2 weeks you can start gradually exposing it to more light (morning sun only, especially at first). Transplanting it may have shocked it but with plenty shade and correct watering, it should recover by mid summer and push new growth out and start looking better. This tree will probably always do well with morning sun only. Variegated trees can lose their variegation in too much sun. Moving the pot around for a couple years, you will find the spot that the tree seems to like and look its best at.
     
  4. Gary912339

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    Hi Attached some photos. The large one was one week ago when i bought it and the other two were taken today.
     

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    Thanks for your advice i will try this
     
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    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    That looks to be a fine looking plant Gary although £70 is quite a lot of dosh :)
    If it is properly drained and you are not watering too much I would think it will be fine
    I don't know where you are in the UK but usually we don't get enough sun to have to worry about it
    Having said that, May was certainly a lot drier and hotter than most and may well have contributed
    Matt's advice will do no harm if there is strong sunlight or windy conditions to avoid
    I hope your plant does well for you
     
  7. Gary912339

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    Hi Sam
    Thanks for your reply. £70 was a bit steep but I really like the acers, I'm going to screen the area so this one only gets morning sun and afternoon shade, I reckon it might be the wind that causes the problem although it is pretty well screened.
    Thanks
    Gary
     
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    Yes, I would have to say I am not too familiar with the sun in the UK. I have only been in the area once. At any rate, I expect it to recover with its summer push of growth. Good luck.
     
  9. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Ukigumo and Floating Clouds are highly
    susceptible to Powdery Mildew. This
    fungus can brown out large portions of
    the leaves and can cause disfiguring of
    the lobes, leaving part of the leaf looking
    fine and the rest of the leaf looking as
    though it had experienced some real
    wind damage. What exacerbates this
    latter condition is salt buildup in the
    soil. The best thing to do is when we
    are pretty sure the leaves have been
    affected by Powdery Mildew is pluck
    the infected leaves off of the tree and
    discard them far away from the tree.
    The fungus is capable of overwintering
    on the infected leaves that stay on the
    tree that may fall to the ground in late
    Fall or even drop off later in the year.

    Cultural cleanup is still a preferred
    method for dealing with this fungus,
    rather than using a topical fungicide
    spray or a systemic ground applied
    drench, which the latter can hold or
    stop the fungus from spreading but
    also can retard the growth process
    of the tree. In other words using a
    drench in some areas can protect the
    unaffected leaves left on the tree but
    we may not see new growth soon to
    compensate for the growth we have
    lost either. With the form plant you
    have high humidity is your enemy as
    Powdery Mildew can attack your tree
    almost anytime when left in too much
    shade. Oregon growers that have this
    same form of Ukigumo leave the plants
    in full sun until late May, early June
    and then will protect it mainly from
    wind damage more so than projected
    sun damage. Then by early September
    may bring the portable container trees
    out into the sun again. The coloring
    they can get from the Floating Clouds
    form and the so called improved form
    plant of Floating Clouds does wonders
    in Central Oregon using this same method.
    We've envied them for some time how
    they can retain year round color on those
    trees so much better than we can here
    in the San Joaquin Valley. The inland
    northern coastal areas here can achieve
    pretty much the same coloring as the
    Oregon growers can as well - is not
    restricted solely to Oregon but Southern
    Oregon can have some of the same color
    up issues that we have here as these
    Maples require lots of light to see the
    better coloration that we cannot give
    them as they will burn up with lots of
    leaf shrivel that enables the leaves to
    stay on the tree. If the leaves fall off
    of the tree we may get new growth but
    that new growth may not be variegated
    is our main issue with two of the three
    plants here.

    One of the issues that has been trouble
    for grower nurseries is when we bump
    a Ukigumo up to a larger container or
    in some instances give the plant new
    soil. We may see some lobe damage
    occur from us not giving the plant enough
    water at the time of the transplant. New
    soil can be toxic to a plant at first and
    we will see the early results of this in
    the leaves of some of the variegated
    plants. Even when it may seen unlikely,
    some of the variegated groups of plants
    can be rather sensitive to organic forms
    of Nitrogen and what may seem like wind
    burn may in fact be a burning from the
    residual Nitrogen in the new soil. This
    state does not last long but in some areas
    we see some fertilizer burn even when we
    have not applied any fertilizer to the tree.
    How we help protect the tree is to give
    a supersaturation, or with a hose, a good
    enough application of water to thoroughly
    soak the new soil and then not water again
    until the soil seems dry. Another soaking
    soon after a thorough soaking can do us
    more harm than good. Our initial soaking
    should leach out some of the salts and
    solute impurities in the soil while the
    second soaking a few days later can
    cause too much oxygen loss in the root
    zone - the roots lose the ability to breathe
    for a while in this case. It is a fine line to
    know how much water to apply when we
    transplant but one thing for sure we do not
    supersaturate one day and two days later
    do it again in cooler and in humid climates.
    Then our second watering can be toxic to
    the plant as the perched water table that
    was left from the first supersaturation was
    not allowed to dry out before we came
    back in and forced the water table to rise
    even further up in the container. The
    solutes in that perched water table can
    be quite toxic to the plant if that solution
    is allowed to move up the container into
    the root zone for any length of time,
    which is why after the initial hose
    watering supersaturation we wait
    a while until the soil appears dry
    to come back in and water again
    after a transplant. Not as big an
    issue if we use overhead sprinklers.
    Cannot supersaturate, apply enough
    water using drip systems at time of
    transplant.

    For now, what you see going on in
    this Maple is rather common to see
    from this cultivar. Bottom line after
    all of this "jabber" above, is your
    Maple looks okay to me. Some of
    lobe burn is expected with some of
    the more sensitive when transplanted
    variegated Maples so soon after a
    recent transplant. You have a nice
    plant to work with that hopefully
    will do well for you where you are
    but you will need to read up on
    Powdery Mildew as this fungus
    is a real nemesis to this plant in
    certain locations and where you
    are you can get hurt big time by
    this fungus by mid to late Spring
    in some years.

    Jim
     
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    katsura Active Member 10 Years

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    Jim, what may be "jabber" to you was knowledge to me.
    Thanks for the 2 long posts - I did not know about Floating
    Cloud vs Ukigumo and I did not realize that a 2nd heavy watering
    could be so oxygen-depriving for transplants. Thanks for the info!
     
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    thanks for the reply - great info.
     

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