Papaver_________? Help

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  1. gd501

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    I bought this papaver unknown at a nursery today and was wondering if anyone can ID it. I think it might be "beauty of livermere". Its not very clear in the pic but there are incredibly tiny and very few hairs on some of the leaves, not like the very fuzzy p.orientale. Thanks for any help.
     

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    Daniel Mosquin Paragon of Plants UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    'Beauty of Livermere' is a cultivar of Papaver orientale. There's no mention here that the foliage is any different (though of course, it might not be something that they'd mention).

    If no one can ID it, I suppose we'll need to wait for a flower.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    Looks like an oriental poppy.
     
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    I guess waiting for it to flower is the only sure way to know. Should I mark this as solved and re-post when the plant is bigger? Because it deffinately doesnt look like these and these are suppose to be P.Orientale.
     

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    You can reply to this thread once there are a few more details - that'll give people background on how things progressed.
     
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    Ron B Paragon of Plants 10 Years

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    If it's another like P. rhoeas it will soon become apparent.
     
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    Thanks for the reply, I shouldve posted that I knew what it was a long time ago. It ended up turning out to be a Beauty of Livermere another cultivar of P.Orientale. A little side note, the rabbits in my area love to eat it. Stupid rabbits, they where eating my P.Soms also.
     
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    Green, extra hairy younger leaves in center showed that it was going to be a greenleaf species; I have also seen oriental poppy leaf crowns in person that looked just like this anyway.

    The less deeply lobed, bloomy outer leaves do not indicate that it is an opium poppy, which has less hairy leaves, never green, and differently shaped leaf edges.
     
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    Ron, untrue. I grow somniferums and orientales. I can tell you for sure that the leaves in that picture are very characteristic of a Somniferum. There are several subspecies of Somniferum that have different leaf shapes. For example, white seeded varieties have very different leaves than blue seeded varieties of somniferum. Many Somniferums do have hairs. In fact, all of mine do.

    However, upon closer inspection, the center of that plant does remind me a lot of an orientale. Not completely, but the fuzziness and the way the new growth looks seems like it. But I have never seen an orientale poppy that had those lettuce-like leaves. And looking at the picture that I posted that identifies different varieties of poppies, the only one it looks to be is a somniferum or setigerum. Setigerum being almost identicle to a Somniferum anyways. Many specialists believe it is even the original opium poppy before man bred it into somniferum that we know today

    To the original poster, could you please post a picture of the plant as it looks today? This would settle all of this. :)
     
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    I have never grown Papaver rhoeas, but looking through google it seems that those may be the first leaves of a Papaver rhoeas. Later on the leaves start to resemble a Papaver Orientale as the lower leaves die off I believe.

    http://www.millingtonseed.com/flowerseeds/red poppy sm sq.jpg

    That is a picture of a corn poppy (papaver rhoeas). Those first leaves resemble the first leaves in the picture posted earlier.
     

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