Identification and Question

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  1. Zaelthus

    Zaelthus Member

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    Hello, about 5 years ago I transplanted this 25+ year old japanese maple from a garden that was being demolished. I took a good root ball and it did recovered well in a shady spot under cover of some larger trees. Does anyone know what cultivar this is?

    Secondly, my garden is finally taking shape and I want to move this tree into a central spot. However the particular spot I have in mind does get a lot of sun from July - September. Would this tree do okay in full sun during the summer months?

    Thanks!
     

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  2. alex66

    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    maybe Green Cascade
     
  3. whis4ey

    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Certainly one of the green dissectums ... Viridis would probably be as accurate a description as would be possible I suspect
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    Ellen is another suspect
     
  5. whis4ey

    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    I would also think that it may well be difficult to move that tree successfully
     
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    alex66 Rising Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    yes!!i agree :)
     
  7. Zaelthus

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    I agree that it will be difficult to move, but I've moved it once before so I'm not very worried about that. What do you guys think of the full sun part?
     
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    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Full sun in Surrey might not be too much for your tree, but generally some form of shade is preferable
     
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    Gomero Well-Known Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    Full sun in Surrey is like half shade in my place: you should not worry a bit!
    In hotter summers (remember that happens sometimes in the UK ;-)), the leaves might scorch a bit in August/September but, other than the aesthetics, the tree will do fine.

    Gomero
     
  10. Zaelthus

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    Woops I should have been more clear Surrey (Fraser Valley), BC, Canada. The climate is very similar to Vancouver with slightly more Sun and less rain.

    Not the UK :)
     
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    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    LOL
    Just goes to show that if you don't give all the details the answers might just be a little suspect :)
     
  12. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    When, at what time of the year, were the photos taken?
    What color is this Maple in the Spring - green, aocha
    (yellow-green), red or rust colored? What are the
    typical Fall colors? What color are the Summer
    or last flush where you are of the new growth leaves?

    To better know how well this Maple may perform in
    full Summer sun we may need to better pinpoint which
    Maple this one may or might be in cultivar terms. Could
    still be a seedling selection but for now I don't think this
    Maple came about as a seedling, so it is probably most
    likely a grafted plant or perhaps came about via a rooted
    cutting.

    A clarification is also required: a lot of sun and full
    sun during the Summer is too vague, will this tree
    get any wind and mid to late afternoon sun protection
    in the proposed new location?

    Jim
     
  13. Zaelthus

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    Hi Jim, very thorough comment. Appreciated.

    The pictures were taken last week on September 9th. I am pretty sure it is grafted (will check when I get home). Leaves turn yellow in the Fall. In terms of sun I would say that in July/August and early September the spot is full sun from about 10 am to 5 pm with temperatures peaking at about 30 degrees celsius. The spot does not offer any direct protection from the sun such as overhead trees. Wind is not an issue and outside of these months Vancouver tends to be cloudy and wet!
     
  14. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    The issue is that even some of the red dissectums
    can be all green this time of the year.

    The hardest part to deal with in moving a Maple
    is how much are we afraid of actually doing it.
    If we take enough precautions, put some thought
    into what we want to do, we limit what may go
    wrong later. I am an old hand at moving trees
    that most people would not dare to move. That
    does not mean that I've haven’t made a few
    mistakes or miscalculations but we try to learn
    from them. I would not recommend that people
    move a Maple during the Summer here but I've
    done it and there are times I was glad I did. I
    do not like waiting until the tree is dormant,
    although several of the Master Gardeners
    would be hesitant to do it but then again how
    many trees have they ever moved and most
    of the time, they will not answer that question.
    What we tell others not to do may require some
    actual reasoning behind the claim. I've learned
    that if we are not afraid, concerned sure, worried
    not so much, then we have overcome our biggest
    obstacle.

    So, moving your tree right now is not an
    issue for me as you have some confidence
    that you can do it and yes, the amount of
    root system that you do not hurt will be to
    your benefit later.

    Some of the green dissectums do not do
    well in full sun. You will more likely see
    more tip and margin burn but when and if
    you see lobe scald in the leaves themselves
    you will wish you had never moved the tree.
    It is the lobe burn between the margins that
    becomes a real problem as when this happens
    the leaves do not fall from the tree but stay on
    the tree. When the leaves stay on the tree
    we limit the amount of new growth we will
    see come about from that limb or twig
    because of it. Had the leaves fallen we
    should see some new growth but the
    leaves that stick, stay on the tree, can
    cause a real problem for our next flush
    of new growth and subsequent flushes
    of new growth on the same branch.
    This is why when the leaves desiccate
    they fall off of the tree and we may see,
    we certainly do see it here, a new flush
    of new growth form or expand from the
    shoot where the leaves have fallen off
    of the tree. Considering where you
    have your tree now, it may be a whole
    new ballgame where you plan to have
    it next. Personally, I'd try to leave it
    right where it is but if you must move
    it then realize that it probably will take
    about five years for it to adapt to its
    new location. During this time span
    you cannot allow this tree to decline
    in the ground as then you most likely
    will see some limb dieback that can
    take years to be replenished and get
    back. Your biggest worry is if this
    tree does not settle in, put on some
    new root shoots and then see some
    top growth new shoots. If you see
    new top growth shoots soon after
    you have transplanted you may not
    get adequate root shoot growth as
    a consequence. If you do not get
    root shot initiation or adequate root
    shoot development your tree will
    stagnate in the ground and when
    this happens you might see some
    limb dieback that can wipe out much
    of your tree. As long as you have
    an idea as to what you are up
    against that there are issues that
    can develop after the moving of
    this tree, then make your decision
    and stand by it. The nice thing
    with Maples that turn yellow Fall
    colors is that we may see more
    golden tones with red splashes in
    the Fall colors, even orange tones,
    that we had not seen before. The
    trade off is what the leaves may
    look like with some chewing up
    during the Summer months now
    compared to the old location but
    the reward is stronger Fall colors
    where you are and in time you
    may see more total flushes of new
    growth during the growing season
    than before.

    Jim
     
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    How much sun did it get in the previous location, you moved it from?
     

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