Pictures missing in the gallery

Discussion in 'Maple Photo Gallery' started by Andre, Oct 8, 2005.

  1. Andre

    Andre Active Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    Acer argutum
    Acer barbinerve
    Acer calcaratum
    Acer caudatifolium
    Acer cordatum
    Acer diabolicum
    Acer distylum
    Acer heldreichii
    Acer laurinum (evergreen)
    Acer longipes
    Acer lucidum
    Acer okamotoanum
    Acer osmastonii

    If you have personal pictures of these species please create a new topic with it.

    Thank you !
     
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  2. Michael F

    Michael F Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Any chance the gallery could be arranged taxonomically or alphabetically, rather than by date of submission?

    Another suggestion: split out all the Acer palmatum cultivars to a sub-forum!

    I don't see Acer cappadocicum in the list and will add it
     
  3. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Renowned Contributor UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    I'm looking into this. There are a few photo gallery packages that can be plugged into the software for a small cost, but I need to be certain that they accomplish what is needed.
     
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    Michael F Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Thanks!
     
  5. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Re: O.T. cultivars and subforums

    Since most of the action in this forum has dealt with
    cultivars why make them a subforum? Although I
    do see the logic of separating the commonly seen
    palmatum cultivars from species forms and their
    various forms and cultivars and have two separate
    forums for each group but there will be some issues
    with crossover cultivars and with Shirasawanum
    especially. The people that have been around Maples
    a long while will know some of the problems with
    Shirasawanum that the taxonomists have yet to clear
    up or give us a solid explanation for. The old school
    Japanese Botanists may have had it right by placing
    Shirasawanum as a forma or subspecies of Japonicum
    and there has not been much offered to us old folks
    to give credence that Shirasawa's Maple had not
    already been identified long before it became officially
    discovered, official mainly to the Europeans but not
    so much to the Japanese.

    There has not been a whole lot of interest in species
    forms in this forum until just recently. Even with the
    current derision with palmatum cultivars we may also
    see the same or similar problems with species forms
    in that some arboretums (I know this is not what people
    want to hear) may not be altogether correct in what
    or how they have named a particular species. Just like
    in the more commonly seen palmatum cultivars there
    will be some problems with some of the species and
    their cultivar forms also.

    What I'd like to see are a series of taxonomic relatives
    singled out or grouped together to show the variances
    in them. A series of photos of the snake barks alone
    would be rather educational to a lot of people. If you
    want to build up people's awareness of the species forms
    then it will require others that know the snake barks to
    freely comment and show photos of them. I see nothing
    wrong with the UBC Botanical Garden showing photos
    with some commentary of each snake bark they have in
    their garden. I, for one, would be rather appreciative to
    know what they have as when I am up there again I will
    head for them like a missile to take a good look at them.
    I would want to match the photo or photos I have stored
    in memory with the visual imagery that I will see from
    them in person. Then I will learn something from them.

    Jim
     
  6. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    I think it is a good idea to have a cultivar sub-forum as
    well as have a species sub-forum. Just because I may
    envision eventual problems to crop up later does not
    mean that separating out both into sub-forums is not a
    worthwhile task. I was raised, grew up on cultivars,
    many of them specialty plants and I will freely admit
    that I am real weak on species forms and their cultivars
    as I have not placed much of my emphasis on learning
    them but I do know a few and have been around some
    of them.

    I think if photos of a particular species are to be shown
    from a garden, an arboretum or a botanical garden, as
    an example of a species form that a notation be made
    as to where the plant currently resides. If you've been
    out and about enough looking at these species Maples
    you'll know why this is rather important for us to know.

    Let me give an example of an element with species forms
    that has caused some problems in the past and also the
    present I would think. Let's say someone from Japan
    back in the 1800's got some seed from a Maple found
    in the wild in Korea and promptly germinated the seeds,
    grew them on and then gave some plants back to someone
    in Korea to plant. Will the new seedlings look the same
    as the original source did? For a few years they may not
    and it may take several years for them to look the same
    as the original plant but what happens if those seedlings
    never do look the same as the original plant did or does?
    Let's also assume the original plant dies out during the
    time the seedlings are developing, do we also assume
    that through a later years plant exploration in the 1900's
    that those plants found are native to that area? Let's
    play with the idea that a well known plantman in Korea
    has one of the seedlings in a collection that was brought
    in from Japan, do we assume that the plant in Korea was
    found in the wild or do we ask where the plant originally
    came from that is now in the collection? I know of
    examples of each of the above scenarios that have
    indeed occurred, which has lead to some problems
    that arboretums have had with some of their species
    forms. It does matter how they obtained their plant
    as some of us need to know the sourcing of the plant
    so we can piece enough of the puzzle together to know
    if the species form that is in Strybing is the same Maple
    that can be found in Esveld (only mentioned for general,
    not necessarily for exacting, purposes).

    I am glad to see the current and some past attempts to show
    some of the species forms. I am not going to get into their
    individual merits as I do not know many of them well but
    I do feel that when we see what a species form may look
    like in England be different than what one may look like
    in France and further still how they may look different
    again in Seattle compared to San Francisco that a whole
    lot of assuming will be going on for people to make others
    think they are the same plants. What it may require is to
    have someone come in that has seen that particular species
    form growing in Holland, Korea, Taiwan and Canada that
    can tell us why those plants that we are being told are the
    same species look different to us when we either see them
    in person or see them in photographs or in digital photos
    online. Where you guys can help is show a species form
    from an arboretum in France, one from Esveld and one
    from England, one from Japan and perhaps Canada and
    let us see those differences, not to gripe and get upset
    about them but so we can equate what the similarities
    are for when we see that plant in our home areas. It is
    with that in mind that I would not ever make a negative
    comment about someone willing to show a photo of a
    Maple from an arboretum. I may not agree that the plant
    is named right but it does not matter what I feel in that
    regard. What matters is that all of you got to see the
    photo and you can determine on your own whether you
    feel it is right or not.

    Don't stop André with your attempts to amass photos of
    the species forms. This interested observer is all for it.
    There will be some of them that may not have any photos
    online or in University archives as yet.

    What I find lackluster is a species form supposedly found
    in Taiwan, named by a Japanese person whom we need to
    be talking to but he is no longer alive, in which we have to
    go through someone originally from mainland China living
    in the US to provide us with scant information through a
    web site that does not have a photo on hand or in person or
    any real specific information about the Maple other than
    they have some documentation from literature that suggests
    the Maple exists and who discovered it. Fine, fellas where
    is the Maple right now and what documentation can be
    provided where we can find a living example of it?

    Jim
     
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  7. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Renowned Contributor UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Okay, the Maple Photo Gallery and new Acer palmatum cultivars are now sorted alphabetically by thread title as default - I can see there's a bit of tidying up to do.

    I should also mention that it previously was possible to sort threads alphabetically (which you'll now want to be able to do for "Last Post" reasons...)

    In the bar across the top of the threads that says:

    Thread / Thread Started / Thread Starter | Last Post | Replies | Views

    You can click on any of those to sort. A little arrow appears beside whatever you clicked, and you can use that to toggle sory by ascending or descending.
     
  8. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Renowned Contributor UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Note to Andre: You can quickly edit thread titles by double-clicking in the cell that contains the thread title...
     
  9. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    I am not sure how to work this but the Pictures
    missing in the gallery
    thread perhaps should
    be edited or have the majority of the content
    in my posts thrown out and deleted as the
    thread became more than one subject issue.

    At first I did not like seeing the thread in the
    photo gallery without any photos in it but with
    the added hot links I see the basis of the thread
    being quite important as someone can list as
    many species as they can and then create hot links
    from the Maple photo gallery to serve almost as
    a quick link starting point foundation and leave
    just it as a sticky.

    I do think that if the palmatum cultivars and the
    species forms were to be separated out, now is
    a good time to do it and be done with it. It took
    me a while to better see the need for it to be done
    but I think in time most everyone will agree this
    is for the best as it may eliminate some confusion
    for people later.

    As a side note, I know why the Maples should be
    listed in alphabetical order but boy is it going to
    take me some getting used to in a forum format.
    I'll try to figure out a way to have things set to
    go back to the recent posts listed first for this
    particular access challenged location where I
    am right now.

    Jim
     
  10. Andre

    Andre Active Member Maple Society 10 Years

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    You can have this by clicking on "Last post" at the top of the column.
     
  11. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Problem solved. I had to sign in to get to see the
    last post link. Then I let the new page load in and
    then bookmarked the new page. It was not that
    simple to do last evening. Thanks for your help.

    Jim
     
  12. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Renowned Contributor UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Jim (and others),

    I think another way you can set the sort order is to override the forum defaults.

    My Settings -> Edit options -> Thread Sorting Options -> Last Post / Descending

    That will force the Maple Photo Gallery to look normal.
     

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