Clematis /climbing rose combination?

Discussion in 'Garden Design and Plant Suggestions' started by lily, Dec 31, 2009.

  1. lily

    lily Active Member 10 Years

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    Last fall we put up a nice sturdy cedar trellis fence dividing my backyard from the neighbors. I want to plant clematis and climbing roses. I've never grown either before, so I'm new to this part of gardening. Can someone please recommend a pretty combination of rose and clematis that wouldn't be difficult to look after? I would like disease resistant AND hopefully fastgrowing. I don't really care if it is evergreen or deciduous but evergreen would be nice. The fence is about 17ft in length. They are 5' panels - so I would also need to know how far apart should I plant each one? I have a west exposure. I really appreciate all the help I receive. ps. HAPPY NEW YEAR 2010!
     
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    New Dawn climbing roses are a lovely pale delicate pink, almost white sometimes, but usually a light shell-pink with sometimes a bit of shading on the lower part of petals with a darker shade of pink, and have a classic double rose shape, the curving shape of the opening rose, and the mature blooms are quite double and you can see the stamens inside, but it is a full multi-row of petals type of bloom. The foliage is usually glossy dark green and healthy. Unfortunately I have one growing in the wrong place, against a chimney in a protected patio which is all shade after 1:30 pm and due to the lack of air movement, I think, and sun, it gets powdery mildew. I am going to move it to the sunnier, airier front!

    I think it would be gorgeous combined with a clematis, but I will leave it up to someone else to suggest which one as there are so many now available... I think one of the mid- blues would be lovely with the pink... very romantic combination.
     
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    lily Active Member 10 Years

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    Hi Janet..and HAPPY NEW YEAR!
    Thank you for this awesome suggestion. I found this rose on Google and it is really pretty. I'm going with this one. Now to find the perfect clematis?
     
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    Ron B Esteemed Contributor 10 Years

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    Somewhere yesterday I suggested Clematis 'Jackmanii' + Rosa 'New Dawn', maybe I failed to hit the right button or key afterward and it did not get posted.
     
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    Those would be wonderful plants for relatively inexperienced gardener to start with, Ron... and Lily, Ron is an expert horticulturist and specialist in plant combinations... I have only one question: the hardiness and vigor of the Jackmanii are real pluses, but I am wondering if they are all as strong a purple as many of the web pictures show... what do you think of the colour combination with 'New Dawn', Ron? I was thinking of something more in a true mid blue, not too intense to overwhelm the delicate pink of 'New Dawn', but maybe the purple-blue would also go with it, I think it would... Ron, is there a lighter blue Jackmanii like 'Mrs. Cholmondeley' see the website:
    http://www.vanbloem.com/index.cfm?f...phaKey=C&whichName=genus&charID=0&showIntro=0
    where several clematis varieties are shown, except that the colour in the photos might be a bit washed-out...
     
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    It would also be quite striking with Clematis tangutica, which has yellow flowers.
     
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    Yes, something less purple could look better. The thing about 'Jackmanii' is that it is easy to keep going. Most large-flowered clematis are martyrs to clematis wilt.
     
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    Thanks to each of you for your help. I'm definitely going with the New Dawn rose. It's really lovely. I have a small backyard and I read somewhere that purple's and blues can make your backyard appear larger. Well, I already have a lilac tree, a blue/purple hydrangea. I thought I might go for various shades of purples/blues. I thought the New Dawn would really set it all off. Last fall we put in a small pond near the fence. I can almost visualize the reflection of the roses/clematis in the water. I looked at the blue Mrs. Cholmondeley, and it's a lovely shade of blue. I've read that the New Dawn is a pink with a bluish tinge to it. Now I just need to decide which color Jackmanni to go with? You've all been so helpful to me. Thanks again.

    Ron, I posted this same question on another forum. Could it be possible that you answered my question someplace else? Just a thought.
     
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    Ron B Esteemed Contributor 10 Years

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    Yes, it was on Garden Web.
     
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    That's hilarious. I posted them around the same time and you answered them both. I was thinking to myself...that's amazing 2 people chose the same plants. haha
    I just love the New Dawn rose. I thought the purple jackmanni would be lovely but I also like the idea of a blue clematis too. Oh the choices...
     
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    I have been growing clematis for decades and have about 25 in my present garden. My advice for a beginner clematis grower is to start off with the Viticella group. They are reliable, easy to grow and do not get the dreaded Clematis wilt. The best Clematis I have is Prince Charles. It is pale blue, grows profusely and here, in Ontario, flowers from end of June until end of September. This would be a lovely plant to grow with New Dawn Rose. I have it growing on a trellis with a pink rose (un-named!). Viticella should be pruned to the ground in early Spring. (If you are in an area that gets frost, make sure you wait until after the frost free date).
     
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    I am interested to know how this combination works for you. I have a front yard south facing trellis. The clematis don't like it there, but the roses do. My clematis prefered to be in the north facing backyard.

    With these results, I just assumed that roses & clematis just prefer different levels of heat and light and would not be compatible combined.
     
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    I have most of my clematis in a south facing garden although some are in my north facing front garden. I have never had any trouble growing roses and clematis together. They prefer the same sort of soil and I usually fertilize my clematis with rose fertilizer in Spring as they start to grow. Although the old adage is that clematis like their feet in the shade and their flowers in the sun, some clematis, such as Nellie Moser, prefer the shade as their flowers fade in the sun. I have always found that it is almost impossible to kill a clematis. Although most clematis seem to thrive even with little attention, they do better and are more prolific if they have plenty of food and water. Unless there is a period of heavy rain, I water my clematis once a week (more if it is a dry, hot spell)
    with 2 watering cans full ( about 10 litres).I water this way as I then know how much water they get, rather than just using a sprinkler. I used to fertilize them every 2 weeks but they now seem to thrive with almost no fertilizer, except at the start of new growth. If your clematis is not growing too well, I would try a little fertilizer. I use Tomato fertilizer during the season if I feel the plant needs a boost.
     

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