Araucaria araucana

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  1. Achilleas

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    Hello to everyone,

    I am Achilleas from Greece and I would like to plant a monkey puzzle tree in my garden.
    the area is in mount Parnitha northwest of Athens at 650 meters of altitude.winters have some snow and cold like -15 to -17 Celsius depending on the year. summers are typically mediterranean with temperatures as high as 38 degrees, hot and dry.
    Do you think it can survive well there with no problems?
    my biggest fear is the dry weather during summer.
    the area is a plateau with flora like Quercus pubescens, Pinus halepensis, Juniperus oxycedrus, and sporadically Abies cephalonica.

    thank you
     
  2. Michael F

    Michael F Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Should be OK. It grows naturally in a Mediterranean climate in the northern parts of its native range in Chile.
     
  3. Achilleas

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    some people that own plant nursuries here told me that they don't bring this kind of Araucaria because during summers they die...
    do you think is it worth the trying?
    during winter we have plenty of fogs, but in summer the sky is usually clear.
     
  4. Achilleas

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    in the same area I do have planted Cedars(all the species), Calocedrus, Abies (pinsapo, cephalonica, numidica), Pinus (heldreichii, cembra, nigra, sylvestris, pinea) and they all do great.
    rainfall occurs around 700-800 mm a year and during summer I have 1-2 good rains only.
     
  5. Ron B

    Ron B Esteemed Contributor 10 Years

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    Maybe make arrangements to water it.
     
  6. Achilleas

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    I will provide irrigations for sure!
    the point is that if it will manage the hot weather during summer and the hot sun...
    is my climate according to my writings a suitable one?
     
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    Michael F Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Should be suitable, yes. In lowland Greece it might get problems with the heat, but not at 650m.
     
  8. Achilleas

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    thank you very much...
    I think my area is a zone 8b - 8a.
    my fear is during watering in summer alonside high temperatures may cause suffocative conditions to the plant.
     
  9. Achilleas

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    someone from Germany told me that Araucaria araucana needs protection from full sun until they become 1 meter high.
    is that true?
     
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    Michael F Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Wouldn't have thought so, but easy enough to do if you want to stay safe.
     
  11. Loukas Glyptis

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    Hello Achilleas,

    My name is Loukas and I am also interested (for a few years now), to plan an Araucaria Araucana in my field on Northern Chios (Island) in the Aegean. I am writing to see whether you had any luck with yours. Have you planted the tree? Did it grow? A few years ago, I brought two in pots from the UK, but they only survived in my balcony (before even getting a chance to transport them to Chios) for two-three months... they turned their leaves brown and ultimately died.

    I have so far planted in my field two blue spruces (the one is about 3.5 metres tall), one Normadin spruce (3.5 metres tall), Two Cedars Atlantica (2 metre tall) and 2 Norwegian Spruces (3 and 2 metre tall). Do you or ANYONE PLEASE think that I stand chances if I try to plant a Monkey Puzzle Tree? The field is located about 1 km away from the sea but it is not directly exposed to winds that my be bringing sea salt as it is protected by a hill. Temperatures in July-August can reach up to 36-37 C, but normally their max is 34 C. Would appreciate some advice please! Also, If I get a 3lit potted plant, should I plant it first to a larger pot to leave it for a few years to grow, or should I plant it directly on the ground?

    Kind regards,

    Loukas
     
  12. Daniel Mosquin

    Daniel Mosquin Renowned Contributor UBC Botanical Garden Forums Administrator Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Seems like that would be pretty hot in the summer time for these. But, @Michael F should comment--he may have seen these in different environments.
     
  13. Loukas Glyptis

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    Ηi Daniel and thank you very much for your prompt reply! I attach here some pictures from my garden/field with the trees that I have imported... and which seem to be doing all right for the time being. I am not sure whether the conifers that I have planted have similar environmental requirements to Araucaria Araucana, but, just in case, please note that I have so far planted in my field two blue spruces (the one is about 3.5 metres tall and is there for 15 years), one Normadin spruce (3.5 metres tall; 15 years too), Two Cedars Atlantica (2 metre tall 10 years and 3 years respectively) and 2 Norwegian Spruces (3 and 2 metre tall 10 and 8 years respectively). I also have three male and female ilex aquifolium (for 15 years, 10 years planted there), a 10 year planted English Yew.... and only very recently (a moth ago) have planted a sequoiadendron giganteum and a sequoia sempervirens (I am praying they will thrive).

    I attach pictures here for a clearer idea of what the field and trees look like in the summer and what in winter.

    Kind regards,

    Loukas
     

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  14. Michael F

    Michael F Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Certainly worth a try. If it is possible, get plants sourced from the northernmost native locations in Chile, where it is hotter and drier in the summer.
     
  15. Loukas Glyptis

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    Hi Michael, Thanks very much for offering your view on this, which it has given me the necessary motivation to order a tree.... unfortunately, I cannot ensure that the tree will be from the northernmost native locations in Chile, as I am located in Greece and do not have the luxury of choice. I have order a 5lt pot, 40-60cm young tree... This is the max I can afford to ship here, so will have to patient!

    Can you please advise on whether I should plant it directly on the ground OR on a larger pot, say for 1-2 more years, until it grows even stronger roots? Also, should I use mulch and any of these natural instigators (fungi) of the root system and/or some fertiliser? Do you recommend spraying it with fungicide Topsin or Kaptan every spring (as I do with my other conifers) to reduce the risk of fungi infection, please? Also, should I plant the tree in a place where it is likely to get access to more shade and moisture during the summer period? I plan to be watering 2 to 3 times a week during July - August and always at night time.

    Kind regards,

    Loukas
     
  16. Michael F

    Michael F Esteemed Contributor Forums Moderator 10 Years

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    Directly in the ground - the smaller size it is put in its final position, the better it will establish. No need for mulch, in the wild they typically grow in volcanic cinders - very free-draining, and no organic content.
     
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    Thank you very much Michael! I really appreciate your advice!

    Will let you know how it goes as soon as I get it planted and a few months pass by...
     

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