Acer palmatum 'Aeken le's'

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  1. Elmore

    Elmore Active Member 10 Years

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    Here are some shots of Acer palmatum 'Aekan Ie's'. It is the linearilobum form in these pictures. I grafted a few of these in the summer of 2002 from wood that I got in Atlanta, Ga.. It is said that this cultivar is an improvement over 'Red Pygmy'. It appears to have broader leaf segments than 'Red Pygmy'. All of these pictures were made in June 2003.
     

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    Aekan Ie's

    Here are some pictures made today,Wed. 4-14-04.
     

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    'Aekan Ie's' stepping out of the shower

    Here are a couple of shots of 'Aekan Ie's' that I made on 7-1-04 just after a cloudburst. She looks like she just stepped from the shower.
     

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    Acer palmatum 'Aekan Ie's'

    Are any of you out there growing this tree? I really like these thread leaf trees and this one looks like it is going to be very nice. I wish this tree had been grafted onto stock with a similar color bark.

    Kent
     

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    Re: Acer palmatum 'Aekan Ie's'

    The Aekan Ie's Maple is listed in the current
    Stanley & Sons 2005-2006 wholesale nursery catalog
    on page 7. Below is the description of the Maple
    in the Stanley & Sons catalog:

    "New! A linearilobum type leave that is dark purple
    black. Plant makes a shrub like 'Red Pygmy' but
    better more horizontal. Even the bark is a dark
    purple black. Very limited supply. FULL SUN.
    Zone 5."

    Elmore had already started a thread with the same
    Maple but with a different spelled name. As we can
    see Elmore alludes to this same spelling of Acer
    palmatum 'Aekan Ie's'
    when he writes about the
    plant..

    Acer palmatum 'Aeken les'


    One other note: to maintain a sense of accuracy
    within the Maple Photo Gallery format, this thread
    probably should be moved into the Acer palmatum
    cultivars (photos) subforum.

    As far as a red bark scion grafted onto a green
    rootstock, this "new marriage" has been happening
    much more often as of late than it was in the past.

    Jim
     
  6. mjh1676

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    Hi Jim,

    One of my favorite growers up out of Yamhill, Oregon just got this plant last spring and I am interested to see what he thinks of it. I am not sure that I will get one when and if they are available, but he seemed happy to have it.

    Now, for the very short purpose of my post. Do you see the way the leaves droop on Kent's maples? I find this to be a little unusual, although not unique. The length of the lobes and the way they hang seems to separate this maple from some other red forms. The similarity came to mind when I looked at Kent's photo again this morning and likened it to the 'Enkan' I got last spring. Dark bark, long-lobed drooping leaves--very similar.

    Here is a link: http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=7098&highlight=Enkan

    Look at the second set of pictures, the one on the right.

    The bark of Ekan does not seem to have as much red in it, but they seem similar. Just and observation. what we need is a red linearlobum that will hold its color, Enkan won't and I bet Kent's maple didn't either. I will still take an Atrolineare or a quality Red Pygmy over the newer introductions. In my eyes, it would take some serious quality to introduce and new Linearlobum, and although we are seeing some new ones, I don't think they are separating themselves.
     
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    Hi Michael:

    The old 'Filifera red' as it was sold in select circles in
    the nursery trade held its color well for most of the
    year, even for us here. It along with 'Filifera purpurea'
    and the 'Filifera green' all had green bark color. True
    form 'Atrolineare' was available later in the nursery
    trade and came to us out of Oregon.

    I think there is some confusion as well as some lumping
    going on when it is convenient in that I am seeing what
    appears to be Scolopendrifolium in the 'Enkan' photos.
    I like the old 'Scolopendrifolium rubrum' and Robert of
    Mendocino Maples shows a good example of the old
    'Scolopendrifolium' form that we also had in the nursery.
    The orange tones is a dead giveaway for it but the cup
    shape in the lobes is another sign of Scolopendrifolium.

    Acer palmatum 'Scolopendrifolium'

    If you look at your 'Atrolineare' you will also see the cup
    shaped leaves. 'Filifera purpurea' is a true linearilobum
    in the leaf in comparison.

    Acer palmatum 'Atrolineare'

    'Red Pygmy' never colors up well for us here even in the
    Spring which is why we preferred 'Villa Taranto' for the
    colors that Maple would provide for us during a growing
    season. That and the fact that 'Villa Taranto' here is a no
    muss, no fuss plant in that we can grow it in shade, full
    sun, face it directly into hot afternoon winds and it takes
    a beating and keeps on going for us here. The old form
    of 'Scolopendrifolium' did as well for us, whereas the
    purple red 'Scolopendrifolium rubrum' does not like our
    heat and hot winds. 'Atrolineare' does not like hot winds,
    neither does the old 'Red Spider' that supposedly came
    from Canada through Goddard. 'Red Spyder' came from
    Don Kleim and is a seedling selection of 'Koto no ito'
    and can handle the heat with some late afternoon wind
    protection. Which came first the y or the i ('Red Spyder',
    'Red Spider'? The y did but was only propagated for very
    select collections here, in Oregon and in Japan. Never
    was sold per say at the nursery but a few bonsai guys
    got some from Don.

    What I like so far with the 'Aekan Ie's' aside from the
    spelling of it (if it came out of Japan then the "Aekan"
    is misspelled) is that it reminds me a lot of the old 'Aka
    shime no uchi shidare' with the growth habit and the
    cascading nature of the ends of the lobes. The bark
    color is very nice for this one. Seems more intense
    in color than 'Aka shime no uchi shidare'. 'Aka shime
    no uchi' has green colored bark.

    I like both 'Enkan' and this Maple from what I am seeing
    so far but we need to know more of both Maples as to
    how well they will hold up over time grown in various
    locations.

    Jim
     
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    MJH, the color on this maple of mine holds all season long. This pic was taken in late August here in St. Louis MO. It has been very hot and dry all season and the color looks very good with very little scorch. I have had this tree for 3 seasons now and the color has been the same every year, all season long. I can't get any color at all out of 'Red Pygmy'. Another good strap leaf variety I have is 'Red Willow'. It is a pretty large plant but the color on it holds all season also and I am growing it in full sun.

    Kent
     
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    Kent,

    Sorry for insulting your plant. I was just making speculation based on the color I saw on some of the leaves near the bottom and on the periphery of the tree, they appear to show a good deal of green that has come up in the leaf. This is similar to other red trees of this nature. Also, the red coloration now looks like it has come up on a pretty faded red. The red color you show now sure looks a lot like fall. I was just speculating that if I was to grow the tree here that it might perform like many of the others. I am glad you have had good luck with the tree, that encourages me to try it.

    Jim,

    I see what you mean by the cupping. Is there a group that you consider having more of a plamate leaf and one that is more of a true linearlobum. Koto no it comes to mind as having thinner lobes, of course there was the koto no ito komachi and now the Fairy Hair and the Filifera you mention. So then we put the Scolopendrifolium derivities together we have the plants that tend to have lightly larger lobes. Will these then also throw out more palmate shaped and atypical leaves? That seems to be the case.

    Since Aekan Ie's has red bark it would be likely that it come from a red bark parent, or at least most likely. So if both forms of Ao shime no uchi have green bark and the forms of Filifera as well as any plants derived from Koto no ito, then where does the red bark originate? Enkan has dark bark, but it is still green at the base.

    In looking at many of the plants mentioned here, they don't seem to differ greatly from scolopendrifolium in leaf form.
     
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    Michael, I'll get back to you on this in a little more
    detail if that is what you want but I may want to do
    it away from the forum. I am into Maples that
    a lot of people have never seen, some areas of the
    world never have had, so I am on an island all by
    myself again but hey, even loners are not always
    alone as I have a few backups to help out if need
    be.

    I have to reserve judgement on some of the newly
    named linearilobums as they are too similar to some
    Maples I've been around in the past. Our worst fear
    years ago was that an old Maple would come back
    into the hands of nurseries and collectors as a new
    name.

    Andre made mention a while back of petiole colors
    and their importance in the identification of some
    Maples. Bark colors are just as important when we
    want to separate out similar appearing groups of
    Maples such as the linearilobums and the lumped
    in Scolopendrifoliums. The Scolopendrifolium
    name is somewhat ambiguous but it didn't used to
    be as a variety, as there is a form of the lobes and
    the number of lobes that the name represents but
    we can see some examples of the linearilobum
    group with the cupped shaped lobes having seven
    and sometimes nine lobes as opposed to five for
    the true form variety scolopendrifolium. Then in
    regards to bark color that can go from red to green
    in a growing season we also have twig color in
    which the Maple will have green bark but can have
    red twigs for most of the growing season and then
    have the twigs turn a golden color, a yellow green
    or green and some can stay red but will fade to a
    lighter shade of red as the year progresses.

    Yes, there are various forms of linearilobums and
    'Red Spider' and 'Red Spyder' are good examples
    of two of them. One will start out with a palmate
    shaped leaf and then as the year progresses the leaf
    will change shape and scale down in size but also
    the lobes themselves will shrink down and become
    possibly threadlike in some cases. 'Koto no ito' can
    produce a palmate leaf in the Spring and then later
    in the year the leaf can be a stringy linearilobum
    by Summer which is the most visible and pronounced
    change we can see. The second group will start out
    as a linearilobum, even the new vigorous growth will
    have a linearilobum shape but is closer to being a
    scolopendrifolium in shape for leaf size but the lobes
    will later scale down and become much smaller in
    size and will look like a linearilobum and 'Koto ito
    komachi' is one of these. The third group will start
    out as a linearilobum and will stay that way and 'Koto
    ito komachi yatsubusa' is one in this group.

    Give me some time to remember a certain variety
    name for the true ribbon leaf Maples as it applies
    to the third group mentioned above that also includes
    'Filifera red' and 'Filifera green' but does not apply
    to 'Filifera purpurea' as it falls into the second group.
    Really, old botanical varieties such as palmatipartitum
    of which 'Shime no uchi' falls into this category has
    been years removed from people's memory banks,
    apparently even mine as well..

    Jim
     
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    Anyone growing this plant care to share any new observations? Haven't figured out if it prefers a sunny spot or it likes to chill in the shade. Not much of a spring flush yet far leafier than last year.
     

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    I am growing mine in a pot so it has been in several different situations. It has performed the best in filtered sun or morning sun/aftenoon shade.
     

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    RK,

    That plant looks happy. How long has it been in a pot? How often have you potted it up?
    How do you handle winter protection?


    Thanks for info.

    Gil
     
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    I've had it in a pot for about 5 years. Every couple years I remove it and reduce the root volumn and then put it back in the pot. For the winter it goes into an unheated garage.
     
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    This photo of my Aekan Ie's was taken May 8, 2008. In my garden, the Aekan Ie's seems to have a darker, more purple color than my Red Pygmy, but I'll have to observe both trees much longer to say any more. My Aekan Ie's is relatively new to me.
     

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    Thanks for info RK.
     
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    rk,

    as a fellow st. louisan, curious why you put them in the garage in winter - have you had bad luck with leaving them out. A bit disconcerting given that most of mine are in ground, and the bigger containers would be a challenge to move inside.
     
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    In the ground they are fine. In containers above the ground they will suffer root damage when temps drop below 16 degrees.
     
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    I haven't got a garage here, nor is there any place to bury the pots. My trees have survived like this for a while. I suppose I'm getting some winter root damage however I do get a very good spring flush.

    Here's a dozen plants that do fine in pots with very minimal winter protection. I'm Z7 used to be Z6. We got close to 0F once in a while. It goes below 10F every winter. I guess we don't get some of the extremes you get in St Louis winters.

    Birds and squirrels are more threatening than weather!

    1-'Mikawa yatsubusa' 2-'Caperci Dwarf'* 3-'Red Dawn' 4-'Hogyoku' 5-'Koto no ito' 6-'Katsura' 7-'Aka omote' 8-'Osakazuki' 9-'Junihitoe' 10-'Johin' 11-'Moonfire' 12-'Palmatifolium'

    * new plant
     

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    Here are two pictures of one I picked up last year as a gallon. Does not seem to grow up, but has gotten denser. This was supposedly grafted in 04. Little dieback this winter.
     

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    Nice eg,

    I am a fan of this plant. Its got a unique character. The form is refined/dignified.


    Very slow for me.
     
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    What I especially admire about Aekan Ie's are the especially long lobes and the dark purple/black color. This photo was taken May 8, 2008, and the plant is situated in an area with filtered light in the morning and blazing hot afternoon sun for 2-3 hours.
     

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    Just got in a nice one from Topiary Gardens. This little guy looks really cool!

    K4
     

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    Anyone getting a late season flush on this plant?
     
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    nope. Only linearlobum to launch was Red Spider. Beni Otake got some terminal buds a month ago and has not moved. A couple of others,no action. It has been a weak secondary growth season for me for many culitvars.
     
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